So I’m in discussions with the people at Ingenuity Fest to produce a full time comedy stage at this years festival, I’ve begun reaching out to folks I want involved in the event, including clubs and some comedians.
I have no idea what really goes into putting on a good festival, I have some ideas of what I want to do…I contacted WTF! pod to see about doing a live podcast at the festival (doesn’t work out scheduling wise for Maron) and am looking into some other podcast folks to bring in as the ‘marquee’ event at the festival.
I know I want to open the festival to performers from around the country, I want to figure out a way to make it worth their while. I know I want to get the clubs involved in the hopes of them putting up weeks of work for me to give to stand outs from the festival…
So i sent this email out:
Did you get my previous email regarding the partnership I’m developing with Ingenuity Fest (www.ingenuitycleveland.com) for this year? I’d like to figure out a way to get this to benefit chucklefck, the clubs and the city of Cleveland.
This is a response I got from one of the comedy clubs in Cleveland….
The problem with doing standup outside the confines of a comedy club is that it most often is a hell gig. Add to that by doing it under some bridge and you may have a disaster on your hands. That can only add to the hellishness of the gig. The fear of putting out an inferior product and having that reflect poorly on (A Cleveland Comedy Club) is what would stop us from getting involved. Start with your choice of comics for this event: Moran is a genius but totally inappropriate for this event. Way too cerebral, sarcastic, and angry. I bet if you told him that he would be performing on an outdoor stage under a bridge he wouldn’t even take the gig unless the money was outstanding. Doug Benson is a pot- head that appeals to other potheads. Wonder why you would want to book him…duh. Again, totally inappropriate for families and kids.
So, if you would like us to act a some kind of sponsor we would have to work with you and the fest people to do it right.
Ok, well my targeting of those comics was more for the podcasts which are really really popular, they do live recordings of them at other festivals around the coutnry (SXSW, bumbershoot, etc.) that are then made available on itunes for their thousands of fans to d/l and check out.
The area of the bridge we’re discussing for the stage is set off in the back, not one of those ‘walk through’ stages, you won’t get back there unless you set out for it, it’ll be a smaller 50-75 person area if that.
My plan for the festival is to have a few one man shows, sketch/improv groups from Chicago & Cleveland, and open the stand up programming to comics all over.
Ideally, I’d like to get the clubs on board to put up weeks of work (host, feature, h/l) to use to entice comedians to come and perform, since most of the budget I get is going to go to a marquee type of person, who would you bring to the festival (A Comedy Club Manager)?
I’ll tell you this, I don’t know about adding the (A Cleveland Comedy Club) to the ‘overseer’ role of the festival; there’s a lot of comics I feel are talented you don’t work and there’s some comics you work that leave me puzzled.
Perhaps by opening the (Cleveland Comedy Club) on Sunday, Sept 18 (the day festival wraps) for a ‘best of the fest’ show, where the guys who stood out and are in consideration for the work the club put up would perform?
Look, we live in 2 different comedy worlds. I know talent and I know how to put shows on. Frankly, you don’t know talent and you don’t know how to put on a show. When I said that I fear your Ingenuity show would “reflect poorly on the (One of the Cleveland Comedy Clubs)” it is because of you and your total lack of the intimate knowledge of standup. Funny thing is you can’t see how bad your judgment is on your own comedy let alone the standup of the comics you put on stage.
It makes me a little angry to think that the people that see your shows may walk away thinking what they just saw was real standup. You give real standup a bad name. You think it’s funny for comics to squirm when they don’t get laughs. You think it’s cool to heckle a crowd because they don’t get your jokes. I shudder to think there is a possibility that If you expose enough people to your comics that they might stop coming to see real comedians in real comedy clubs and 55 people that work in this club alone would lose their jobs all because of your ridiculous notion that you know what is good standup comedy.
So go get your Chicago wanabee comics. Go get your unknown comics that are artists rather than comedians that know how to get laughs. You can criticize the talent I use only when you match what I do. Until that time, stick to embarrassing yourself on ”The Bob & Tom Show” and giving the local comedy scene a bad name. Leave it at that and leave the (One of the Cleveland Comedy Clubs) out of it. Hey, it’s not like you haven’t heard all this before.
So this note goes out to anyone who’s EVER come to one of my stand up comedy shows I’ve produced at Reddstone, Bela Dubby or anywhere else. Did I do you a disservice?
Comics, if the other clubs are as negative about partnering up with me, what would I need to have to make the festival an attractive option for you to submit to and be a part of?
OH, here’s my response to the above email:
The point of this festival to bring comedy to the city it’s not getting right now. You’re right, I don’t supply the level of comedy that the Improv, Hilarities or even the funny stop provide. I provide shows in environments with little to no expectations for the audience or performers, this creates a space where a lot of new and innovative stuff happens. Stuff that eventually makes its way into the comedy clubs.
My comment about (A Cleveland Comedy Club) probably came across wrong, I just foresee you implementing a bunch of comedians that already work at the clubs here, and that’s not what I’m doing this festival for.
If my small, ‘non comedy’ shows are a threat to the club and livelihood of 55 employees, maybe you’re not as ‘in tune’ with comedy as you think. Or that wasn’t a real concern of yours, was it?
I’m not really trying to start an argument with you (Comedy Club Manager), I’m trying to do something to bring some light to Cleveland, comedy and beyond. I just figured since the (A Cleveland Comedy Club) purports itself to be the best place for comedy in Cleveland, they’d want to be a part of the festival, considering it’s proximity to the new club grounds and the amount of visitors to the festival.
What really is the issue here? I know you don’t like me or my comedy. That’s not what I contacted you in regards to. I take your comment about ‘the bob and tom show’ being the opie and anthony show that squire and myself were on. Did I even bring that up to you in any way, shape, or form (Comedy Club Manager)? What’s the point of bringing that up? What’s the point of your whole email aside from belittle, demean and call me a piece of shit?
I don’t appreciate your tone when I’m just trying to figure out a way to establish Cleveland’s comedy scene on a national scale.
If I had the name, prestige and money of the (A Cleveland Comedy Club), you can bet my shows would on par if not superior to your shows. I do a damn fine job with absolutely no prestige or money of bringing comedy to the public on a more intimate scale than the clubs.
How about instead of being a dickbag and lumping all of the ‘no name’ comics I book together, you actually get off your ass and come see one of my shows, then you’re free to talk all the shit you want.
Hugs and Kisses
their response to my response:
Your comment didn’t just “come out wrong”. You knew exactly what you were doing. Once again, you insulted me and I am done taking it from you. You are the one who started it, you asshole. You are the one who got fucking offensive. I always gave you the respect of an honest answer and all you’ve ever done is thrown it back in my face. RESPECT…do you know anything about it? Respect is something you know very little about. You don’t offer it so you don’t get it back, you moron! I am tired of it and I’ve had it with you. If you are not going to insult me ever again. You’ve told me for the umpteenth time that I don’t know what I am doing and I don’t know talent. I am NOT going to put up with it anymore! You keep telling me that I use comics that you think suck and you think you know better than me. I am NOT going to put up with it anymore! And you keep being a whiney bitch and I am NOT going to put up with that either. Grow the fuck up.
LOOK-YOU’VE HEARD THIS SO MANY TIMES BEFORE that sometimes you have to look yourself in the mirror and think that maybe you are the problem; maybe you might be wrong and the rest of the world might be right. Think about it. You are so fucking blind as to how unprofessional you are and how you could care less about anyone but yourself that you will end up being alone for the rest of your life. STOP IT NOW!
Where do you get off telling me that I don’t like you. Whiney whiney whiney little boy. Go ahead and make shit up just to make yourself feel better. What would ever give you the idea that I didn’t like you? You are right about your standup…it is embarrassing and awful but I never attacked you personally like you have done to me so many times. Don’t ever tell me what I think or how I feel because you don’t know shit about me. You are mass agonistic and selfish.
I don’t care if it is one person or 10 people that stops seeing standup comedy after watching one of your rotten shows. It does affect me and that is why I have been successful and why this club has been around for 22 years. I believe even a little piss ant mother fucker like you CAN have an effect on my business.
I know you need the last word but you are not going to get it. I will outlast you because I am smarter than you, wiser than you , I am much more righteous than you, I have many more life experiences than you, and I have done this dance with little boys like you many times before. So, go ahead and fire away over and over and over. Make yourself feel better with your email masturbation. Now I have to call my associate, Jim Levin, and make sure that he knows that you are in no way affiliated with the (A Cleveland Comedy Club), and you are in no way qualified to run the comedy stage during his festival. Sorry little buddy.
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